August 4th, 2009

Gene

This guy had some time on his hands.

I had watched some YouTube film and I had left a.... slightly sarcastic... comment to see who I could get riled up and well... I found someone smart. Have you ever had the misfortune of having someone correcting your grammar or correcting you on some meaningless date in mid sentence? Don't you just want to slap the hell out of em? Well, I got one guy back. He had a lot of useless facts to back up his meaningless argument and although I could have torn them all apart, I decided to make the most of the situation.
Scott
My problem with all three Abrahamic religions is that there is nothing but evil associated with them as far back as history covers them. Jews, Muslims and Christians all claim to follow a peace loving religions but people are dying RIGHT NOW in the name of all three religions. Religion has killed and continues to kill more people than any other concept ever made up and now they're taking the whole freakin planet with them!
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Alfred
Oh, what we could accomplish if we weren't so ignorant of history.

Scott,
Instead of parroting the favorite myths of the atheist/agnostic faith, you should investigate facts.

Yes, there have been atrocities committed in the name of various religions; and I won't attempt to defend the followers of Mohammad, because their holy book, the Quran, actually tells them to kill Jews and Christians who refuse to pay tribute and /or become their slaves.
Your errors are listed as follows
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Alfred
Scott,
You still make false points. Your first mistake is to lump the three monotheistic religions together. Then you make false statements.

For instance...
Just four atheistic dictators of the 20th century have killed more people than all the religious wars in all of world history: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot. Some of these dictators may have used and subjugated religion in order to rise to power, but they have clearly stated their principles, and that they were atheist.
alfredspewman (22 hours ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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- A religious faith should be judged by the results that occur when it is accurately followed, not by the inaccurate distortions some may try to make of it by taking one verse out of context, and running with it.

For instance, the Bible makes clear that a Christian must be honest that some things are right, while others are wrong, but the way to convince others is by loving them in truth, not by forcing them to become Christians.
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Alfred
A Christian convinces others by loving them in truth, not by forcing them to become Christians. Jesus was the first example of this, as He was happy to visit and eat with prostitutes and corrupt tax collectors as He taught them the better way. This was much to the chagrin of the proud leaders of the day. So that small, weird church from Kansas that has been in the news is obviously not following Christ when they run around saying God hates, various groups.
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Alfred
The result of Christianity is that for the first 300 years, people became Christians, not from coercion, but from seeing how differently the Christians lived.
In the ancient world, if you got sick with plague, or leprosy, or many illnesses; then you were shunned, and you starved, and you died... but people saw that Christians were going to these leper colonies, etc, and were feeding, and caring for the strangers there, sometimes even getting sick themselves, but they kept doing it.
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Alfred
In the ancient world, if you were a woman, you were the property of your father, and then of your husband. You had no rights; your husband could kill you if he wanted, and no one would care., but Jesus changed that, too. People saw that Christians had stable families, and husbands and wives who respected each other. Husbands learned to understand their wives, rather than treating them like cattle.
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Alfred
In the ancient world, if you were poor, then you either starved, or sold yourself into slavery but people saw that Christians would feed the poor and help them, whether they knew them or not.

These are just a few of the lifestyles of the early Christians that drew people to them. Pagan Roman governors wrote dispatches to Rome showing they were perplexed by this new faith, which was admirable in every way, except that its adherents refused to worship the emperor, even at pain of death.
alfredspewman (22 hours ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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Alfred
This peaceful, truly beautiful process in the early church only ended when the Roman emperor made Christianity the "official state religion" - truly a corrupting event.




So, when subsequent tragedies, such as the Crusades or Inquisition, were done by people In the name of God, the right response is to investigate whether they were done in accordance with the scripture of that faith, or whether they were done in direct contradiction to their own scripture.
alfredspewman (22 hours ago) 0 Reply | Spam
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When you investigate whether actions done "in the name of God" were done in accordance with the scripture of that faith, or whether they were done in direct contradiction to their own scripture, then you can rightly determine whether it is appropriate to condemn the faith itself, or to condemn the person who did that thing.

God should not be "blamed" for the actions of people who claim to follow him, but who do the opposite of what He tells them to do.
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Scott
Alfred, I was tempted to shoot down all your "facts" with the context you pulled your from, but that would be both pathetic and a completely useless waste of my time.
Instead, I'm going to point out your idiocy by simply restating myself.
"Religion has killed and continues to kill more people than any other concept ever made up."
1) I in no way make even the slightest suggestion that Atheism is clean of blood, nor do suggest that I was referring exclusively to religious wars.
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Scott
2) You have failed entirely to realize that even the four people you mentioned were motivated by morals embedded in them by religious upbringings which only validates my point further.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer

I picked the quote to be pompous, does if wear well on me?
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Did you see that? Many of you may be wondering why I didn't tear his out of context "facts" apart with real information, I had the knowledge to fight him at his own game and prove to the whole blog that I be smarter. Instead I decided to make him look like an idiot without proving my intellect to the room.
I would much rather him keep his ridiculous notion that I am not intelligent and believe that he has been outsmarted by a fool. As an aspiring psychologist, I know how this will affect his ego and I cannot wait for his reply.
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